Tag 2

https://web.archive.org/web/20170603122240/http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=127211 @keenansthoughts 5 years ago (edited) TMM saying Baek is trash while showcasing his worst moves which you never really should use. f+212, d+444, really? You are going to be using these moves on combos only. d+44 is a good wall carry move while f+212, you never really need to use this outside wall combo ender or to break walls. d+2 used to be safe on T6BR before it was nerfed to -10. but he has b+4 now which is a safe KND and CH launcher. And with Baek's hopkick, everyone knows baek's hopkick is shit. He has a safe df+2 to compensate for that.

Here's what Baek has: db2 launcher Safe 15f df+2 Magic 4 good CH moves in df+44 (safe) and d+4333 (unsafe but with mixup) evasiveness in FLA stance db+4 HAS bound combo - db+4, FC d+2, cc 4,3,3 FLA into bound. This is consistent among Baek mains. Safe KD in b+4 which launches on CH ff+3 safe mid launcher with +frames on block FLA b+3 tracks both sides. Safe on block

b2,1,1+2 B!

UF4 ff2,1 df1,1 B! QCF2

FF2 b2,1 1 1+2 B! DB2,4,2

W! B! 1 QCF+2

ch f1+2 RFF 3 23 LFS 1 242 RFF ff3 B! d3+4 3

EWGF (EWGF) ff3,1~ff 2 df1+2 B! HWO RFF f+3 uf3,4,3 DVJ f+3+4

HWO df2 u3 LFS uf3+4 4,4,3~5 B! DVJ 4~3 HWO df+3+4

DVJ ws2 DEWGF 2 df1+2~5 B! HWO RF f+3 uf3,4,3 DVJ f3+4

HWO CH b2 4,4,3~5 B!

HWO JFSR RFF 3~4 dash f+1,2,4,2 RFF f,f+3 B! dash RFF 3~4~f,b+4

HWO JFSR 3~4 dash 2,4,2 RFF f,f+3+3 B!

HWO W! u+3 4,4,3

df2 f2 b14~df~uf1 b2 1+2 TA! uf343 f1+2 - 90dmg

Alex & Roger Jr.
TA! - cd+1 _ uf+3,3 _ df+3,3
Ender - cd+1 _ wr3
Wall TA! - uf+3,3
Wall Ender - db+4,3,4,3,4

Alisa
TA! - db+2,2 _ b+2,4 _d+2,4
Ender - WR2
Wall TA! - f,F+3,4,4
Wall Ender - d+2,4

Ancient Ogre
TA! - uf+3,4,3+4 _ 2,d+1+2 _ d+1+2 _ b+1,2
Ender - WR3 _ uf+3,4,3+4 _ b+1,2 _ ff4 _ uf1+2
Wall TA! - b+2,1 _ df+2,1,2 _ b+1,2b ub+3,2
Wall Ender - b+2,1 _ df+2,1,2 _ b,f+4 b,f+4*

Angel
TA! - f+3,2,1 _ uf+1+2 _ SSL d/f+322 _ f+1+2 _ f+3,4
Ender - WR3 _ uf+1+2 _ 1+2 _cd3 _ f+3,4
Wall TA! - f+2,1,4
Wall Ender - f+2,1,4 _ db+4,3

Anna
TA! - qcf+2,1 _ f,F+3,4,3 _ b+2,2 _ uf+4,(3,)4 _ f+3~b CJM, d/f, CD 2,1
Ender - f+4 _ qcf+2,1
Wall TA! - b+1,2,2 _ f+3~b CJM, d/f, CD 2,1 _ws+3~b df+2,1 _ fF+3,4,3~b CJM 2+3*
Wall Ender - qcf+2,1 _ df+1,2 f+2+3

Armor King
TA! - 3+4,2 _ uf+3 _ 1+2,2 _ f3,4,3
Ender - WR3 _ ISW _ GS _ uf+3 GS _ WR3+4
Wall TA! - 3 _ 4,1 _ ss2,1_ uf+2 _ db+2,3
Wall Ender - f+1+4 _ groundgrab

Asuka
TA! - b+2,1+2,4 _ db+4,3 _ 2,3 _ b+2,4,3 _ b3,4,3 _ b+2,1,3
Ender - wr3 _ f+1+2 _ 1+4, 3~f
Wall TA! - b3,4,3 _ b2,1,d4 _ b2,1,4 _ f+1,4 _ d+3+4
Wall Ender - f+1,4 _ df+1,4 _ f,f+2,1+2 _ f+1,3

Baek
TA! - uf+3,4,3 _ f,F+4,3 _ u+4,3
Ender - df+3+4 _ uf+3,4,3 _ f,F+4,3
Wall TA! - 2,3, FLA f+3, d+4,4 4 _ uf,n3,d+4,3
Wall Ender - df+3+4 _ 4,4 _ 4,d+4

Bob
TA! - ub+3 _ d+2,3 _ ws+3,3+4 _ ssl b+2,2,4,4*
Ender - 1+2,1+2 _ wr3 _ cd2 _ b+1+2
Wall TA! - ws+3,3+4
Wall Ender - 1+2,1+2 _ d+3+4

Bruce
TA! - f+2,4 _ b+4,3,4 _ 3,3 _ b+3,2 _ (df+3,)1
Ender - WR3 _ cd3+4,3+4
Wall TA! - b+4,3,4 _ df4 MTS db2,1 _ df+3,1
Wall Ender - db+2,1,4 _ uf+3+4

Bryan
TA! - db+1+2 _ b+3~f~4,1,2 _ 3,3,2 _ df+1,2 _ b+2,1,4 _fF[3]
Ender - fF[3]
Wall TA! - ff, b+3~f,3,4
Wall Ender - f+2,1,4 _ b+3,1+2

Devil Jin
TA! - b,f+2,1,d+2 _ uf+1+2 _ ssr ff+3,1,ff, f+2,4 _ b,f+2,1,4*
Ender - WR3 _ uf+1+2 _ 1+2
Wall TA! - b,f+2,1,4 _ b+1,2~b, b,f+2,1,2
Wall Ender - df+1,2

Dr. B
TA! - f,f~ b+1,2~PAN n, 4 _ b+1,2, MAD 1+2
Ender - F+3+4 _ f,F+2,1 _ f+1+2 MAD 2
Wall TA! - PAN 1+2 _ ZEN 1
Wall Ender - uf+3+4 _ 2,4 MAD 1+2 _ b+1,2 MAD 4

Dragunov
TA! - f+2,4 _ qcf+2 _ f+4,4,3 _ 4,1
Ender - WR2 _ f3~df~1+2 _ f3~df,CDc,d44 _ fF3
Wall TA! - 4,4 _ f24 _ 312
Wall Ender - b+2, ws1+2 _ ws1+2

Eddy & Christie
TA! - uf+3+4 _ ws+1,3 _ ss+2,4 _ 1+2~3 _ db+2,3 _ 3,4 _ ss+4,3 _ 1,2,4~4 _ f+1+2 HSP 2,4,3 _ b+3,3 RLX 2,3 _ RLX 2,f+3 _ RLX 2,b+4
Ender - WR3 _ uf+3+4 _ ss4~3 _ uf+3,3+4 _ d+2,3 _ d+2 _ qcf+3 _ ss+3 _ ws+1,3
Wall TA! - 3,4 _ uf+3+4 _ b+4,3,3
Wall Ender - uf+3+4 _ b+3,3 _ d+2,3 _ d+2 _ uf+3,3 _ u+3

Feng
TA! - f+3,4 _ df+3 _ (ssl)f,F+4,3 _f+4,3
Ender - 3~4,3
Wall TA! - 3,3,4 _ f+4,4
Wall Ender - b+1+2 _ d/b+1, 2

Forest
TA! - uf+4,3 _ 4,3,4 _ 3,4 _ SS uf+3,4
Ender - WR3 _ 4,3,4
Wall TA! - uf+3,4
Wall Ender - 3+4

Ganryu
TA! - df+4,1,2, uf+3 _ f,F+4 _ df+1+2,1 _ 3+4,3+4
Ender - WR1+2 _ f+3+4 _ uf+1+2~d~CC df+4,1,2 _ 4,df412
Wall TA! - 3,4,4 _ 344 _df1+2,1
Wall Ender - b+1~2 _ HHS (b1~2), df1+2,1

Heihachi
TA! - cd+4,1 _ tgf _ cd+441_1,b2,4 _ f+3+4,2,1*
Ender - uf+3,4 _ Cd3 _ f+3+4,2,1
Wall TA! - 1,b+2,4 _ b3,3
Wall Ender - df+1,2 - b3,3

Hwoarang
TA! - 3~4 _ uf+3,4,3 _ d+4,4 _ 3+4~rff f+3, lfs uf+3,4,3 _ 3+4,rff 3~4~f, rfs f+3,4 _ ss+3,3 LFS f+4,3 _ 3+4 RFF 3~4~f RFS b+4 _ 3+4 RFF f+4 RFS d+4,4 _ u+3 LFS 3~f LFS 3~f LFS f+4,3 _ 4,4,f+4
Ender - uf+3,4,3 _ df+3+4 _ wr+3 _ 3+4 RFF 3~4 _ 3+4 RFF 3~4~f RFS b+4 _ 3~4 f+4 RFS b+4 _ 3~4
df+3+4 _ ff+4 _ d+3+4,4,3 _ u+3, LFS f+4,3 _ f+4, RFS f+3,4
Wall TA! - d+3+4,3 _ 3+4 RFF 3~4 RFS d+4,4 _ f+4 RFS d+4,4 _ u+3 4,4,f+4 _ u+3 df+3,f+4 _ u+3 LFS 3~f LFS 3~f LFS 3,f+4 _ u+3 LFS 3~f LFS3~f LFS 3,3 _ df+3,4 RFS d+4,4 _ 3+4 RFF 3~4 RFS 2,4,4
Wall Ender - ws4,4 _ d+3+4,3 _ db+3 ws+4,4 _ 3,3,3 _ 3+4 RFF 3~4 db+4 _ f3~3

Jack-6
TA! - u+1+2 _ b+3,2,2 _ df+3,2 _ 1+2,1+2 _ 1,1 _ 1,2 _ u/f+3 _ u/b+1+2
Ender - b+3,2,2 _ fF+1+2,f2 _ fF+4_B+[2] _ ff+1
Wall TA! - u+1+2 _ 1+2,1+2
Wall Ender - df+3+4 _ f,F+4 _ ws+1+2,1+2,1+2

Jaycee
TA! - f+2,2,1 _ f,F+3 _ db+2 _ d/b+1+2, Bridge 1+2 _ d,d/f+1~4, d/f+4,2,3 _ d df1,4 fF1,4
Ender - WR1 _ ISW
Wall TA! -1+2,4,b,f+1+2 _ df+4,2,b,f+1 _ 3~b,f, 1+2,4,b,f+1+2 _ d/b+1+2, Bridge 1+2
Wall Ender - d,df+1,2_ df+3+4 _ df+4,2,bf+1 _ 1+2,bf+4,1+2 _ d/f+4,2,3 _ ISW

Jin
TA! - b+2,1 _ df+1,4 _ b+3~f~cds1,2 _ bf2,3~f 1+2_ 1,2,4 _ b3~f 4 _ bf2,3~f 4
Ender - b+3,f,CDS 4 _ EWHF _ WR3
Wall TA! - b,f+2,1,2
Wall Ender - 1+2

Jinpachi
TA! - df+2,1 _ ub+1,2~f,3,4 _ db+2,1
Ender - WR3 _ Air Throw _ uf+3+4,1,2,4 _ uf+3+4,3,4 _ uf+3,4 _ f+2,1,1+2 _ ub+1,2,f124
Wall TA! - db+3,1 _ df+2,1 _ f2,1,1+2
Wall Ender - db+3,1 _ df+1 f+1+4 _f2,1,1+2

Jun & Unknown
TA! - b+2,1,4 _ f,F+2,3 _ b+4,2 _ b2,1,f1+2 IZU 2 _ WS1,4,2 _ df+2,2 _f+3,f+1+2 IZU 2 _(Unknown)b+2,1,2,2
Ender - WR3 _ db+1 _(Unknown)uf+2,2
Wall TA! - df+2,2 _ f+1,4 _ d+3+4 _ 2,1,4,1 _ f+3,f+1+2 IZU 3+4 _ b+2,1,1 _ f+3~(u_d)~n ff+2<2 _1,1<d4 _ (Unknown)ub+2,1 _ u+2,1 _ b+3,2,1
Wall Ender - f+1,4 _ f,F+2,2 _ b+4,2 _ f+1,3

Kazuya
TA! - b+4,1 _ wgf _ ss cd4,1
Ender - cd+4,1 _ cd3
Wall TA! - df+3,2,1 _ b3,1,4,3
Wall Ender - 1+2 _ df+3,2,1 _ b+4,1

Devil Kazuya
TA! - cd+4,1 _ b+4,1 _ uf+1+2
Ender - cd+1~UF _ cd+4,1 _ cd3
Wall TA! - b+3,1,4,3_b+4,1_df+3,2,1
Wall Ender - cd+1~UF_b+4,1_df+3,2,1
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King
TA! - b+1,2 _ f+2,2,1 _ df+2,1 _ 1+2,3 _ 1+2,1 _ b+2,4 _ b+1,4 _ cd~ws2,2 _ df+4,3,4 _ f+2,2,2
Ender - ISW _ GS _ b+3 _ FCdf+2~5 _ d+1+2~5 _ groundgrab _ f+2+3 _ b+4
Wall TA! - f+2,2,1 _ 1+2,3
Wall Ender - df+1,2 _ ws2,2 _ 12 _ groundgrab _f+2,2,1 _ b+2,4 _ f+2+3 _ b+3 _ b+4 _ wallgrab

Kuma & Panda
TA! - uf+4,3 _ df+2,1 _ f+2,1
Ender -
Wall TA! - f+3+4,1+2
Wall Ender - uf+3,4,1+2

Kunimitsu
TA! - df+1,3 _ b+4,3 _ f+4, 1,2,4*(with airgrab) _ f,f+2u
Ender - WR3 _ SET 4
Wall TA! - d+2,1,2,1+2 _ 3,4
Wall Ender - f+4~F~B d+2,1,2,1+2 _ d/b+3,3,3,3,3

Lars
TA! - uf+3 _ f,F+2~f, SE 3 _ b+1+2 _ df+3,3 _ f3~df~ws2~f SE 1
Ender - ISW _ ff2~f SE 1 _ f3 DE 1~f SE 1_ f2,1~f SE 1
Wall TA! - f+4,1,2,1 _ 1+2~b f4,1,2,1_ 1+2~b df3,3
Wall Ender - f+4,1,2,1 _ ISW

Lee/Violet
TA! - df+3,2,3 _ b+2,4,3 _ fn,3,4 _ ub+3 _ ss3+4 _ssl 434 _4,u3 _uf+3,4 _b+2~f,d/f+3,2,3 _ wr1+2,3
Ender - WR3,4 _b+2~f,d/f+3,2,3 _ ff3 _ b4 _WR1+2,3
Wall TA! - 4,3,4 _ f+4,3 _df3,2,3 _b+2~f,d/f+3,2,3 _ 4,u3 _ b+1:1~f,4,u+3 _b+2~f,4,u+3
Wall Ender - f,F+3 _ ub3 _ b4~3 _df3,2,3 _(Violet) u/f+3+4

Lei
TA! - 1+2,2 _ f,F+3,4 _ f+3,1 _ f+3,1,2 _ 3b,2
Ender - WR3
Wall TA! - f+4,2,1,2,4 _ 3~b, PHX 3,3 _ u/f+3, CRN 3,4,2,3 _ fn3,d+4
Wall Ender - ws3 _ d+4,4

Leo
TA! - f+4 KNK 1~d BOK 1,2 _ uf+2,1 _ f +3~d, bok 1,2 _ f+3~d, BOK 4, KNK 1~d, BOK 1,2
Ender - f+1+2 _ d+1
Wall TA! - ws+1,4,1 _ f+4 KNK d/f D ws+1,4,1
Wall Ender - ws+1,4,1 _ f+3~d BOK, ws+1,4,1

Lili
TA! - f+2,3 _ d+2,2,3 _ d+3+4 _ f,f+3~f, u/f+3+4,3+4
Ender -
Wall TA! - f+3+4,3,4 _ ws3,4
Wall Ender - f+3+4

Marduk
TA! - f+2,1 _ 2,d+1+2 _ d+1+2 _ 1,2 vts 4 _ f+1+2,2 _ 1,2,VTSc, 2,d+1+2
Ender - f,F+1+2(any airgrab) _ b+4 _ u/f+3, 1,2, VTSc _1,2,VTSc _ uf+3 fF1+2
Wall TA! - df+4,2 _ F1+2,2 _ uf+3+4 _ ss4 df+3,1+2 _ d+2,4
Wall Ender - df+2,1 _ wallgrab _ groundgrab

Marshall
TA! - uf+4,3 _ 4,3,4 _ 3,4 _ SS uf+3,4
Ender - d+1+2,DSS f+4 _ WR3
Wall TA! - uf+3,4
Wall Ender - 3+4

Michelle
TA! - d+2,3,1 _ (d+2)3,1 _ f+2,1,2 _ b2,3,1+2
Ender - WR1 _ ISW
Wall TA! -1+2,4,b,f+1+2 _ df+4,2,b,f+1 _ d,d/f+1~4, 1+2,4,b,f+1+2
Wall Ender - d,df+1,2 _ df+4,2,bf+1 _ 1+2,bf+4,1+2 _ ISW

Miguel
TA! - df+2,1 _ df+1~f, sav 1,2,1 _ df4,1~f SAV 1,2,1 _ df1~f SAV df1~f df4,1~f SAV 1,2,1_ df+1,1,2
Ender - WR3 _ fF2,2
Wall TA! - df+4,1,1 _ df1~f~db f4,2 _ df1~f df4,1,1_ df1~f SAV 1,2,1
Wall Ender - df+1,2 _ df4,1,1

Nina
TA! - uf+4,(3,)4 _ ss+1~f~2 _ b+1+4 _ df+3,2~ss+1~b~u~f+4,3,3 _ ss+1~b~u~f+4,3,3 _f+4,3,3 _ f,F+4 _ ss+1~f~1,1+2 _ ws+4,3
Ender - qcf+4,2,3 _ iws+1,1+2 _ iws+1, ff+3 _ ff+1+2
Wall TA! - ss+1~u~df+1,2,f+1+2 _ 4,3,d~4,3 _ f+4,3,3 _b+3,4
Wall Ender - f,F+3 _ df+1,2,f+1+2 _ b+3,4 _ ss+1~b~uf+3 _ss+1~b~u~f+1,2,f+1+2

True Ogre
TA! - HCF2:1+2 _ uf+3,4,3+4 _ df+3+4,3+4 _ df+1+2 _ u/b+3~f BOOT 1,2,1+1+2 _ ss2 _ u1+2 _ws3 _ uf1+2,1+2
Ender - HCF2:1+2 _ uf+3,4,3+4 _ WR3+4 _ f+2 _ f+3+4,1,2,1+2 _ u1+2 _ u+4, FLY 1+2
Wall TA! - df+3+4,3+4 _ uf+1+2,1+2 _ HCF+2:1+2
Wall Ender - df+3+4,3+4 _ df+2,1,2 _d/f+3,2 _ U+4~FLY+2*

Paul
TA! - qcf+1 _ d+1,4,2 _ uf+3,4 _ demoman _ ws3,2 _ 3,2 _ df1~b 4 _ f,F+3,4,4 _ f+3 _ b+1+2
Ender - qcf+2 _ ff+2:1
Wall TA! - f,F+3,4,d+4
Wall Ender - df+1~b~u d+1,4,2 _ df+1~b~u demoman _ d+1+2 _ demoman

Prototype Jack
TA! - uf[1] _ u+1+2 _ df+3,2 _ 1+2,1+2 _ u/f+3 _ u/b+1+2
Ender - d,db,d,df+1,1 _ fF4 _ b322 _ f,f+1_ ff+1+2,f2
Wall TA! - u+1+2 _ 1,1,2 _ f,F+4 _ssl 1+2
Wall Ender - df+3+4 _ f,F+4 _ ws+1+2,1+2,1+2

Raven
TA! - b+2,2,3 _ df+3 _ uf+4,4 _ ssl b+1+2,3 _ ssr b+1+2,2
Ender - f+4 _ 3~4
Wall TA! - f+3+4,4,2 _ u+3,d+3,3_b+2,4,3+4
Wall Ender - f+3+4,3+4

Sebastian
TA! - d+2,2,3 _ d+3+4
Ender - f,f+3+4
Wall TA! - f+3+4,3,4 _ ws3,4
Wall Ender - f+3+4_ wall grab

Slim Bob
TA! - ub+3 _ d+2,3 _ ws+3,3+4 _ ssl b+2,2,4,4*
Ender - 1+2,1+2 _ wr3 _ cd2 _ b+1+2
Wall TA! - ws+3,3+4
Wall Ender - 1+2,1+2 _ d+3+4

Steve
TA! - df+1+2 _ df1,2~1~b, flk 1~b, 3+4,2, d+2df+1+2 _ df1,2~1~b, flk 1~b, 3+4,2, d+2 _ df1,2~1~b,flk f+3 dck 1_ ssl b+1,d+2,1
Ender - WR2
Wall TA! - b+1~b,3,1,1
Wall Ender - df+1+2

Tiger
TA! - uf+3+4 _ ws+1,3 _ 1+2~3 _ db+2,3 _ 3,4
Ender - WR3 _ uf+3+4 _ ss3~4
Wall TA! - 3,4 _uf+3+4
Wall Ender - uf+3+4 _ b+3,3

Wang
TA! - b+3,4 _ db+2,4,2 _ d+2,1+2 _ uf+3,1 _ db+4,2 _f,F+3,4 _ ssl db+2,4,2 _ d+1+2
Ender - WR3 _ QCF2 _ fF2 b3,4 _ db1 fF2 b3,4
Wall TA! - 4,4,4 _ ws222
Wall Ender - db+2,4,1

Xiaoyu & Miharu
TA! - f+2,1,4 _ ub+3+4 _ b+4,4 _ b+3+4 RDS 1,4 _ d+1+2 AoP u/f+3,3
Ender - WR3 _ f,F+3+4 _ f+1+2 _f,F+4 _ 4~3
Wall TA! - f,F+1,3 _ f+2,1,4
Wall Ender - uf+3+4 _ d+1+2 AoP 2,1 _ db+1

Yoshimitsu
TA! - 4,4,4 _ 4~3 _ ws2,1,3 _ b+2,1 _ d+2,2 _ 2,3 _ f+3,4 _ b+2,1~KIN f+2 _ d+2,2,2+3 _ 3~4~u ~d f,f
Ender - f+3+4 _ b+2,1~KIN,f+2 _ b+2,1~KIN,1+2(F!)
Wall TA! - f+3,4
Wall Ender - b+1~3 _ 4 u/f+3+4,b+1 3+4 _ (opponent down) uf+1

Zafina
TA! - ws+1,2 _ f,F+3+4 _ db+4,2 _ df+3,4 _ MNT d+1,4 _ MNT d+3,1 MNT d+1,4* _(SSL)2,2,1+2*
Ender - f,F+2 _ f+2,3,4 _ f,F+3+4 _ uf+1+2 _df+4,1
Wall TA! - df+1,2,1_ 3db,df+1,2,1
Wall Ender - f+2,3,4 _ df+,1,2,1 _ uf1 df+1,2,1 _f+1+2